Since the school season started my daughter has come home each day announcing that she hates school. She has always hated school just like her brother did and pretty much like I did. So this news that she reports each day after school is not news to me and I pretty much ignore it.
She wants to be home schooled but I don’t have the patience or the knowledge to do something like that. I like that she goes away for 6 1/2 hours five days a week. It gives me a little time to think and work.
I may have mentioned this before but for new people, my daughter talks a lot.
A lot.
This is not hyperbole, she really talks non-stop and even in her sleep. It becomes white noise for those of us who live with her but for her teacher, and apparently other students, not so much.
One little girl told her to shut up recently.
My daughter was crushed by this.
I don’t know why, I tell her to do just that all the time, though maybe using different words.
This same little girl, who told her to shut up, has also been making fun of my daughter’s middle name.
Her middle name happens to be Rose. I don’t see what is so funny about that name. Daughter bathes regularly and does not smell bad.
For the week or so that this child was making fun of my daughter’s middle name, I suggested that she ignore the ignorant child, who obviously has limited ability to come up with a better way to tease her. Daughter’s last name is funny and it would be very easy to make fun of it. It lends itself to all kinds of horrible rhymes and frankly this child, who is making fun of her middle name, has little imagination.
The ignoring thing worked for a little while but apparently everyone has their breaking point and my daughter, who also happens to be a redhead and who happens to be raised by me, has hers. She reached it Friday afternoon.
My daughter, the mini Redhead Ranting, put her fingers in her ears, wiggled them, and stuck her tongue out at this little girl. Prior to that she made fun of the little girl’s first name by repeating it over and over again. Let me just say this little girl has a funny name and if you say it over and over again it is not only funny but also annoying, especially if it happens to be your name. This little girl has one of those names that is normal except for the extra syllables her parents added to the front and back of her name.
Daughter got busted by the teacher, the very teacher who was peeved that Daughter stuck her tongue out in the class picture.
What is worse, for the daughter, is that the little girl was not making fun of Daughter’s name just before the tongue sticking out and name repeating happened. Nope. It’s been at least a week since she bothered to torment my child by making fun of the name Rose.
So daughter had no excuse for her behavior. She had been festering about the name-making-fun-of for a whole week before she decided to give this child a taste of her own medicine.
Taste of her own medicine is something to remember.
So, I pick the daughter up from school and I can see as she is walking towards me that something is wrong. She has the crinkled up look on her face that means tears are possibly moments away.
“What’s wrong?” I ask her.
“I have a note from my teacher” She says, rather flatly.
Great.
“What did you do?”
“I was doing something that I shouldn’t have done but the teacher didn’t see everything and she said I did stuff that I did but only because she did it to me before I did it to her and I was sick of it and it was time she had a taste of her own medicine” She blurted out.
I’m already laughing. And I am already thinking about the call to her father about the taste of her own medicine aspect of this transgression.
“Am I grounded?” She asks.
“We’ll talk about it after I see the note.”
The box on the left shows the inappropriate behavior, the box on the right shows what daughter should have done. According to my daughter she should have stood (without feet) with a group of rather bored and unresponsive children rather than have fun by sticking her tongue out at a rather unresponsive child.
I’d have thought that the child with the Mohawk would have sported a smile but even he is bored.
As you can see I have not filled in my portion of the note that is to be returned to school tomorrow. We had a funeral today so she and I got one extra day to think about what she did.
I am torn between this Fix It Plan
Maddie and I have discussed this rather unfortunate episode and I can assure you that something like this will not happen again.
and this one:
Maddie and I have discussed that she should not tease “child” about her weird name when “child” has not recently made fun of Maddie’s name. I have told her that she should only make fun of “child’s” name when “child” is making fun of Maddie’s name because otherwise you will send stupid notes like this one home.
Which do you think is the appropriate response?
I did not ground Daughter. I couldn’t, I was too busy laughing about the note. When I managed to catch my breath I suggested that she not call other children names if they had not recently, within the last two minutes, called her a name. I told her I didn’t want her to get in trouble over stupid things such as this, that there would be plenty of opportunity for her to get into trouble when she got older and she should not waste notes from the teacher on this sort of thing. I gave her a pass this time but the next time I told her I would not be so nice about it.
When I talked to her dad I mentioned that she had given another child a taste of her own medicine, knowing that this was out of his mouth. I was still laughing about the whole thing so he knew he wasn’t in trouble and ‘fessed up about the situation and how he had suggested that this child needed to be taught a lesson. Not from our daughter, he assured me, but from someone, eventually.
Whatever.
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I think it’s appropriate for the teacher to know some history of the situation even if she’s clueless, which it sounds like she is. However, as parents, we have to at least tell our children the “right” thing to do, even though what we’d like them to do is give ’em a taste of their own medicine.
I have a situation like this going on the bus, with older boys talking to my five year old daughter about kissing and crap like that. I spoke to the principal about it twice, but I’ve also told my older son that he has my permission to take care of the situation if he needs to. Of course he’s only nine and really has no clue what I’m really saying……”Kick some ass if need be.”
I know that’s not very PC, but when it comes to your kids, damn! Maybe I’ll have to post about this too.
I think the drawing is hysterical!
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Although the second note is what every parent would want to send, I’d send the first note and let it go. I do like the second note much better though.
A great big BRAVO to your daughter.
Have a terrific day. 🙂
Jen, I adore this! I have 3 grand daughters, Hannah Rose, Emma Rose, and Abbey Rose. Tell Darling Maddie that in time, she will never have her name laughed at again. And tell your ex- it’s not always right to suggest a “taste of your own medicine”! Poor darling!
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I’d totally send the second note, but I know the grown up thing to do is send the first one.
I know I am going to be a lousy Mom as mine gets older, because I know if it had been my daughter, I’d be taking her out for ice cream to celebrate. LOL! Yep, we’re definitely home schooling, or I will be able to paper the walls around here with the notes home…
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Tough call. How about a combination of note 1 and 2? Something that acknowledges that Maddie was basically provoked, but also acknowledges that you’ve had a chat with Maddie and she understands what she did is not acceptable behavior.
Personally I think you should have a conversation with the little bratty girl that has been making fun of your child that goes a little something like this. “Listen you little shit. If you make fun of my daughter or her name one more time, I’m gonna…” NO. Wait. You definitely should not do that. I might do that. But you should not. I think you could go to jail for that.
Ok. Just send the first note. It’s the right thing to do. Boring. But right.
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What do you think your daughter will do if a situation like this happens again? It sounds like you have a great conversation going with “mini Redhead Ranting” (hilarious).
My daughter is Laila Rose – A beautiful middle name –
I must be a horrible parent – I stick my tongue out at people all the time when I’m driving. I’ve told my son the big 5th grader to walk his pre-k sister into her classroom and give the kid who keeps calling her fat, dirty looks – little punk.
Did the teacher draw that picture to explain to you what happened? A note because she stuck her tongue out at someone?! Are you kidding? In this day and age sticking your tonque out is like waving hi – now if she gave her the bird or called her a pussy (one of her moms (that;s you) favorite words) I could see a note being sent home.
I wouldn’t write anything at all – I’d sign it and leave it at that.
Love the second note! Not very adult I guess, so how come we ALL want you to send the second note? Are we that juvenile? Are we all waiting to see you get in trouble? Oh my, perhaps you should take care who you call your friends!
I am guessing that you have already put a bug in the teacher’s ear about the little brat that has been picking on Maddie?
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Quick! Email me that other child’s name. I have to know!
How do you make fun of the name Rose?? I totally accept Plan #2, just leave off the part about the teacher sending home another stupid note.
I can’t believe the teacher sent home a note about this. All she did was stick her tongue out and make fun of the girl’s name. And she didn’t even do it by making it into something else, like Smelly Shelly or something. I mean, really. Is it your daughter’s fault this girl’s parents named her something stupid? Of course not! This teacher must go through a lot of stationery if little things like this warrant a note. Ridiculous.
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i think my mom actually sent that second note back to a teacher once (it’s my only explanation for why i made it past the fourth grade… i was a bit of a brat in my younger years, but my mom was kinda terrifying to kids and adults alike, so a lot got pushed under the rug). anywho, i hope this is a one-time instance, and if not… well, at least we know who the new sheriff in town is!
One of the Guys: As much as I might like to fight this battle for my daughter I will resist. I am not there to witness the name calling, I only have daughter’s side of it. I believe my daughter but the teacher is far more likely to have witnessed all of the behavior and if she hasn’t then it is for my daughter to enlighten her. I will fight to the death for my children on things that matter, this is not one of them. Siblings on the other hand are free to fight with them at any time. Daughter has already tried to solicit her 16 yr old brother’s help in this matter. When he “helped” her with a situation last summer he ended up with 15 hours of community service.
Comedy Plus: It is my plan to send the first note even though I really would rather send the second one. If I expect her to suck it up I must be willing to also.
Linda: I wonder why Rose is such a popular middle name. I chose it because if was one syllable and her other two names were so many more. I tel her that there will always be someone who doesn’t like her, her name, her looks, her whatever, that she can’t please everyone and it isn’t worth her time to try to do so. She still tries to however. Kids can be mean and she may as well learn it now. I don’t want her to tease other kids, under any circumstance, but if she has tried to get along with this kid, or at least ignore her, and it still happens then she needs to stand up for herself. Which she has. As for my ex, he is looking out for her, it might not be the most practical solution but he wants her to be able to take care of herself.
Storm: At least you are mentally prepared for what lies ahead. I didn’t take her out for ice cream, she didn’t ask, but I didn’t punish her for her inappropriate behavior. I doubt this is the last note that will come home but I’d rather have more during grade school than in high school.
Lola: I’m not going to make excuses for my daughter. What she did was wrong, and just plain misguided, she has to face the music. Next time she must retaliate while she is getting picked on and then they can both get into trouble.
Stefanie: That is what I would really like to do, and then tell the teacher how I think there are better things for her to do with her time than making my daughter draw amusing notes about what she did wrong (however I love the note and plan on making a copy to send to the teacher and framing the original).
Wngl: Judging from how she responds to her brother, whom she is unable to ignore, I assume this is not the last of this. She has been told however that if she brings a note home again she will lose her SpongeBob blankie. (It’s time to get rid of it and this was a kill two birds with one stone kind of thing, probably not in the parenting books however).
Sheila: I would do the same thing that you told your son to do. And then I would go and smack the little shit who is calling your daughter fat. I’d suggest that he confront this little bitch and ask her what her problem is. I can’t understand why kids are so mean.
The teacher made her draw the picture, I suspect to shame her for her behavior, because that works so well. Thing is the teacher doesn’t understand that I “get” Maddie, and she “gets” me better than the teacher does. It backfired, I was hardly ashamed of her behavior, a little proud to tell you the truth, and you can’t see it on the picture because it didn’t come out very clear but in the first one she is smiling while sticking out her tongue. And if you look closely her hair is curlier in the first one. Not that I advocate anything like that kind of behavior…
Buggys: Yes, we are all that juvenile. We also probably laugh a whole lot more each day than this teacher or this child who has no imagination. I’ll take that any day.
No, I haven’t talked to the teacher, I avoid that at all costs, she scares me. And I laugh at inappropriate times when I am talking to her. Maddie has to learn how to fight her own battles. She has to figure out when and where she can do and say certain things. It’s not easy but if I step in every time she won’t learn that she has to deal with each person differently. She has to know her audience.
Surfie: The only reason I would send note #2 would be to get in the stupid part. I can’t believe she sent home a note for this myself. If this is the worst behavior then it must be a pretty great group of students which I find hard to believe since my son’s school has just had the third incident of a student bring a weapon to school since September and they are in the same district.
Sarah: How did the teacher respond when your mom sent that note? Did you get punished more? Were you treated differently? Seriously, I need to know if there are any repercussions.
Your daughter sure knows how to deal with em nasties, too bad the teacher caught her, and not the other girl too. I would have said the same thing, to ignore the other girl, but I agree that for anyone,more so to a kid, there’s a breaking point.
another hilarious post. specially the note.
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Jen, I named my daughter Sheila. Never realizing it would rhyme with “Bo Beelah”. I hate to see anyone going through the stupid kid stuff! I had my share. I stuttered very badly as a kid so I had a lot of horror stories. Still, we do get through it. It’s tough when you are trying to do it on your own. I was a single mother with two before I was 25. I know. But believe it or not, this all works out! xxooxx Linda
Jen, you are so like me in many ways. I can’t tell you how many notes I’ve laughed at over the years. I remember one time my first child was in FIRST GRADE. They had apples for a project and he innocently turned to his FRIEND and joked, “if I threw this against a wall it would explode like a bomb!” The boys continued to walk, apples in hand, moving on. A little girl heard my son say this and I was called by the school about my son THREATENING THE SCHOOL WITH A BOMB. NO LIE. Yup, my first grader has a direct line to the bomb making company. I think it is called Acme but I’m not sure.
Vera: I was told to ignore the teasing from my brother when I was a kid. I was unable to do it and we both got into a lot of trouble for it. Eventually she will learn that the only reason kids tease other kids is because of the reaction they get. My daughter always reacts very loudly and strongly.
Linda: Everyone’s name is weird when the banana game is utilized. My daughter’s father stuttered as a child as well and I suspect that is part of his reaction. I was a fat kid with a gay dad and a handicapped mom, I learned to ignore kids who teased me and then I learned how to tease them without them knowing it. As in during class discussions. I’d use big words and point our their ineptitude. They rarely understood what I was saying but the teachers did as did the smarter kids in the class. I know we will get through this, life is too short to take this kind of thing seriously. Two before 25, I don’t know how you did that on your own. I had to take a ten year break.
Katherine: Of course you know he is on the no fly list now. I made the mistake of sending a plastic knife in the lunch box with my son. I will never make that mistake again. Luckily they didn’t kick him out.
Seems she knows exactly what she did wrong and why it was wrong…
You are never going to educate that teacher…
P.S. My name is Katherine. You know what my brother figured out was the only name that rhymed with Katherine? If you say it just right, BATHROOM. Kinda catchy!
I vote for the second response. But I was one of the children who didn’t act correctly, and one of the parents, of 2 children who didn’t….in school. I would offer you, my daughter, who is about to turn 20, to mentor Maddie. My daughter, is not a redhead, but she doesn’t take crap from anyone(including me), so that ain’t gonna’ work.
However, I do have a real pet peeve with name calling. In, grade, and middle School, my name was Donald Chute, before I shortened it to Don. Because of that I was…. Donald Duck, Donald Duck Fins, Donald Quack..Quack..Quack..Poop Chute, laundry Chute, garbage Chute, Oh, Chute Quack Quack. The really inventive little shits would string them all together. They’re really lucky, I didn’t go Columbine on em’. It did teach me to have a thick skin, which is what you should teach Maddie, until…It’s time to give em’ a taste of their own medicine
It’s a tough situation. The retelling of the incident by your daughter is funny and she didn’t actually disrupt the class, the teacher did.
Getting caught in the act is what teaches us when, where and how we can pick our battles and not get caught. All kids need to figure this out.
This is just training. Shoot, she’s your daughter. She’ll have no problem fine tuning her skills.
The sheet the teacher sent home is brilliant! It has it’s merits, but I sure got a laugh out of it.
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Still laughing here. Sorry, but this amuses me to no end. I personally think the mini redhead ranting is like my kids and already gets that revenge is a dish best served cold. 😉
Apparently she needs to work on timing a bit so she’s not caught.
The note- is one for the books. I’ve gotta say they’ve come a long way since my kids had notes sent home.
Pricilla: She does know what she did wrong and she knew it before she did what she did. I don’t want her disrupting class however this incident happened during lunch.
Katherine: My brother called me Post Toasties, it bothered me so much I can’t even tell you and to this day I have no idea what he meant by calling me the name of a breakfast cereal.
Don: Wow, that must have sucked and thankfully you didn’t go all Columbine on them. Did you ever come back with anything to them. I was and still am one of those people who come up with a witty response at least a day too late.
PJ: The note is worth all the trouble in my book too. I suspect I might have quite a collection of these notes by the time she graduates from high school.
Dddiva: We will indeed have to work on her timing and location. If this had happened on the playground I wouldn’t have this wonderful note.
Not sure where to put this on your blog…but you’ve won an award from me. Feel free to stop by, collect, and give a speech!
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If you feel that you need to demonstrate some kind of consequences for Notes from the Teacher, you could always ground Daughter from 11:00pm until 4:00am the next morning. Then you can advise the teacher that Daughter had an appropriate disciplinary action at home to reinforce the lesson from school.
Ian: Thank you for the award and the other blogs you highlighted are fantastic. I have spent the better part of the morning reading some great stuff. Now I am behind on work but I’ve gotten my fill of some wonderful blogs that I wouldn’t have found if not for you. You do have a talent for picking them. Sorry about your cpu screen.
GDad: That is simply brilliant. Too bad I had sent the note before I read your comment. Next time, which could be today for all I know.
If this is the worst thing that happened in school that day then life is good. I probably would have stewed over it too before retaliating…. That or do as you did and use words that they didn’t know the meaning of.
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You’ll never believe what my 3rd grade teacher wrote on the back of my report card – “Even a fish wouldn’t get in trouble if she kept her mouth shut.” Nuff said.
I vote #2! #2!! #2!!!
Okay, the note is funny. But, here’s a question about the fact that your daughter talks a lot. My older daughter is the same way.Always has been. We used to say that if she was kidnapped, they wouldn’t keep her long because even with tape on her mouth, she talked.
We later found that she has severe ADHD. It’s just a thougt. Her homework didn’t suffer til 5th grade, and her teachers just thought she was very social.
I absolutely love the second note…can totally see that scene playing out in my house with my son..(talks constantly or sings and does not like being made fun of)
Ian was indeed correct when he sent me y our way..
Great post!!
Can’t we please know the other kid’s name? It’s driving me crazy!
Oh Jen. Jen, Jen,Jen. We are SO cut from the same mold – even our daughters. Mine talks so much that when she returned from the aquarium Sunday, she even left the bathroom door open so she could finish talking to her brothers and me. When told to shut the door, she did…for about 10 seconds – before she HAD to open the door. And talk some more. She likes talking so much that she just kept on talking, despite the faces and sarcastic “uh-huhs” her brothers and I were making. She talks in her sleep, also. Well,YELLS.
I want you to send the second note…just to see if teacher makes you come in and write sentences for it. I agree with JD. Email me the name, I’ll post it on my blog – you can link to it – and then you haven’t told.
We also have the same problems with her and 2 girls in her class. These other 2 girls have been ugly since kindergarten (we’re in 4th grade now). These 2 girls make fun of Becca because she doesn’t wear “name brands”. (Altho we are impoverished, we live in a really nice part of town.) These 2 girls drive Becca nuts by making fun of her name. (And trust me, our last name is just RIPE for teasing. Maybe they just aren’t old enough yet?) And to top it off? The one brat – girl – with the stronger personality won’t “let” the other girl be friends with Rebecca. And this…this is an ABOMINATION, according to my child. (Which is her word, not mine.)
Maybe it’s good to have blogs…just to provide them with something to read when they have kids…and are convinced their child is the spawn of satan. xx
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Stephanie: This was the worst my daughter did which tells me things are not so bad and I suspect the teacher doesn’t have enough to do.
Margo: That’s funny.
Jenn: I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to find out she has ADD or ADHD. She has the attention span of a gnat unless she is playing Barbies, Wii or is drawing pictures. I also blame myself for encouraging her when she first started talking and I talk a lot too so that probably helps.
Bendigo: Ian has a knack for those kinds of things, I spent all morning looking at his recommendations and had a blast doing it. You have a singer too? If mine isn’t talking she is singing, and she isn’t that bad actually. There could be worse things than a kid who likes, and more importantly feels like, singing all day long.
JD: I’d love to share it but there are people I know in real life who read this blog and I would hate for them to think I was making fun of the name they gave their kid. It’s even funnier when you do the banana song thing with it.
Katherine: My daughter also pees with the door to the bathroom open so she can talk, and if someone is in the bathroom she has no trouble walking in or standing outside and jabbering away. It drives me crazy because that used to be the place I could go for a little privacy. We haven’t had the brand name issue yet though there was that time she showed up in the same shirt as a mean girl and vowed to never wear it again. It wasn’t going to fly since I just bought it. I love that Becca uses the word abomination which is one of my favorite words.
Well…I understand. But two wrongs don’t make a right. There is something to be said for learning to take the highroad. As far as what you should tell the teacher, maybe the “Fix It” plan should be that you will address the behavior with Maddie, but you hope the teacher fixes the situation by instructing the other little girl not to tease Maddie. Even steven.
I hated school, too, both for myself and for my kids. One of the big reasons why is incidents like this. One kid gets punished, the other kid get away with it. It sucks.
Chris: You are right, two wrongs don’t make a right, and I sent the more practical note. As for the high road I have taken it many times. Some were easier than others but it is a lesson that we all must learn, though not an easy one for a 6 year old.
Mike: I didn’t hate school for this reason but it sucks when you get busted and the other kid gets away with it. However I don’t think either of them did anything that seriously wrong, annoying yes but nothing that kids don’t do each and every day.
Rose is beautiful! It was my grandma’s name. I was cheering your dear Maddie on when I read this. I would’ve liked to join in on teasing “child’s” name. You showed great restraint in not publishing it.
Thanks for visiting me too, Jen!
Cheers,
Robyn
Good for your daughter – I think there had been sufficient provocation for her to react in the way she did (even if there was a small lapse in time since that unimaginative brat had teased her). And I would go with the second option for your written response!
Kitty
Robyn: Your grandma had a great name. I thought it was a beautiful name too, much better than the one my ex husband wanted, which I won’t list here either.
Kitty: It’s easy for all you to suggest #2 but you don’t have to endure parent/teacher conferences in those little chairs.
You did the right thing, coming from a serial talker – she is just being outgoing which will help her in the long run. Oh yeah – my two kids middle names are Danger and Duece. Rose is a walk in the park – great name!
Walt: You are one of those parents! You really gave your kids middle names of Danger and Duece? Why not Apple or Moon Unit?
You may well have run into this before, but it’s worth mentioning: http://www.bullies2buddies.com
If your daughter is bright enough to know that she wants to be homeschooled, she’s bright enough to learn the psychology and how to respond appropriately. No teacher notes involved.
Mother: That was a fascinating website and I am going to have Maddie take a look at it. I have tried to explain this idea to her but so far it is not sinking in. The example used might be a bit over her head but it’s a place to start. Thanks for the link.
What a great post! Thanks for making me laugh and for the great insight!